My
next fourteen years in the Management Services Division.
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So what’s this then?
The Management Systems Division
was, in 1977, THE place to do systems development work, and the area I’d landed
in, as a result of my rather bold drawing of Stores II (a project on the MSD
drawing board for the mid-1980’s), put me in on the ground floor of major,
large scale efforts the likes of which I’d not seen. In the Production Planning
Department, a program of mine might have run weekly, at best, with most being
utilized on a monthly basis. The technology was key punched cards, assembled
into programs with job control language necessary to execute the programs
provided by Data Processing and Payroll (DP&P). Reports were then printed
and distributed to planners who used them as reference materials for decisions,
usually, or in some cases as guidelines for operations.
My new job was writing programs
from specifications that would be executed on-line, perhaps as much as fifty
thousand times in a week, AND these programs would created actual working
documents that drove actions. These initial actions were within the Purchasing
area of PARS, and my first assignment was a program called General Changes. I
did not know at the time, but nobody wanted to do General Changes because of
its complexity and scope, so they gave it to the new guy. They didn’t know the new guy was wondering
if he was up for the job, but as they say, “the rest was history”.
It never occurred to me that
people would actually prefer technology to utilization, but in this new
assignment it became apparent to me that I was more interested in how to use
technology within an organization, and everyone else was interested in
technology itself. This was due to my lack worry concerning the scale of use
these applications were running in. You
can imagine if a problem occurred in something that ran fifty thousand times
per week, that’s a big deal. I was used to once per week, or monthly activity
levels, so when I attended my first “professional” technical walk through of my
attack at General Changes, both the review board, who walked into the room and
noticed nine “piles” of programs for review (something that had not been done
before), and I, who had not had nitpicking technocrats pick apart my work, were
in for new experiences. Suffice it to say, after several days of minor
criticisms by the very folks who were afraid to do General Changes in the first
place, and who were now my “work-mates” and represented my competition, so to
speak, and who represented the high bar and measure my abilities, it became
obvious to me that, yes, indeed, I was capable of success in this new major
league, AND I did notice that my daring and confidence were not matched by
anyone within this new sphere. Having arrived and devoured my initial
assignment, programming soon fell by the wayside. The path of jobs in the
Management Systems Division were varied, but generally speaking programmers
came in at the bottom, development programmers were better off than maintenance
programmers, but none the less, this was entry level. Next up, designers, then
project leaders, then project managers, then management levels (there were
several). At this time, the Management Systems Division merged with the
Industrial Engineering Division, actually it was an over throw by the
Industrial Engineers, the guys in the suits beat out the technology lovers, to
form the Management Services Division. At the time, didn’t matter to me BUT
that political move made, really, a great deal of difference in the near, and
longer term future.
I completed my “stint” as a
programmer pretty much with General Changes and, as a designer was needed for
the next phase of PARS, the Receiving function, and my by now friendship with
David Winter (you remember, the guy who wanted to know if I wanted the long, or
short story, who was a second-in-command type on PARS) didn’t hurt, and I was
appointed “Designer” for the R part of PARS. Receiving at Kodak Park was a
truck unloading process whereby Purchase Orders were matched against incoming materials
and, if the delivery data was correct, packages were routed to the appropriate
ordering area, and receipt data created that resulted in payables information.
This matching effort, of materials, packages and delivery areas was complex as
Kodak Park was spread over ten miles and constituted hundreds of buildings with
thousands of delivery locations and receipt responsibilities. This was handled
with several pages of “cloud diagrams” which defined the flow, associated
processing applications, data related information, and connections to upper
level control fields (as the technical people like to refer to them, but
really, it’s organizational) for processing into the higher-level steps. We
actually got a woman who was a kind of uppity level teacher to do some real
work and program a key function that would process a vast majority of packages
traveling through receiving, and she learned about reality vs. theory of
teaching by doing a real job. I think that was my favorite accomplishment,
project wise, during this time frame, and in addition, this is when Jason, my
first son was born, my affair with Susan the photographer occurred, my
reconciliation with Lynn which resulted in Joshua, and, hey, it was the best
and the worst of times. I also had my first promotion since becoming a
“professional”, from wage grade thirty-nine to forty-one, and was delighted.
Much later in the game, when I became responsible for giving out promotions, it
was revealed that this elevation was a standard progression, given to all those
who had not committed atrocities, which at the time I had not. Oh well,
ignorance is bliss.
The PARS piece of Receiving was
a huge success and the designer (me) was on the professional upswing while
suffering the lost of a marriage, two small children, and his love, lost to
Alaska becoming a photographer. He chose to stay and “do the right thing”. This
was the beginnings of Awareness as an attempt to one day be able to explain to
his children why he no longer lived with them, and it became the period of time
where professionally, and personally he grew the most, and the fastest,
expanding towards the future while becoming distant from his children.
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From PARS to MACS
(Materials Accountability and Control System)
As it turned out, there was a
corporate rule that said, “Those who’ve worked on Purchasing and Receiving
can’t work on Accounts Payable and so once again, as luck would have it
(although by now I knew I was destined), the next step in what really was
Stores II, remember the ten year plan, was about to move towards fruition.
You see, when most of that
“stuff”, purchased by Eastman Kodak via the PARS purchasing function comes in
through receiving, it goes to warehouses for storage. The owner within
manufacturing calls it in, from one of ten or so large warehouses across Kodak
Park when these materials are needed to re-supply internal inventories, or, in
some cases, for use upon receipt within manufacturing. As it turned out, Kodak
Colorado had just finished building a system that took control of its warehouse
(one, as I remember), and David Winter and I, along with Joe Butkowski from
Stores Warehousing, and Don Fry, THE database expert, launched a project that
would take the Colorado system, copy it to Rochester, add the additional
functions needed to support an operation that was ten or so times bigger than
Colorado, and install the “cloned” system across Kodak Park, warehouse by
warehouse. The four of us, and we did come to think of ourselves as the four
horsemen, for sure, had $100,000 and six months to do this proposed project,
taking another system from another development site and using it rather than
developing another from scratch AND, more importantly, taking a manual cardex
control file process used in warehousing to process hand written, mailed
requests for material shipments/movements to an on-line, database, terminal
driven environment, a leap of two levels of technology. The management of our
division saw this effort as a $100,000 project and came to the conclusion that
it must not be much of an effort as they were, by this time in 1979/1980
approving projects in the millions of dollars, so we were pretty much left on
our own to do a magnificent task that had not been done before. As the four of
us worked at this effort we were left, pretty much, alone by the politics of
the times. David Winter was the point person to our Management, securing
funding and writing the required papers. Joe Butkowski was the Stores,
Warehousing guy who took care of the customer management. Don Fry was the technical
expert who made the internal modifications to the Colorado software. I made the
modifications to the external portion of the Colorado software and did the
implementations with the warehousing operations people. We were, as a team,
much stronger than any one of us, individually, and I think I was the luckiest
of the bunch to be “on the shop floor” learning everything I could about people
under stress during massive change.
As it became apparent to “the
four horsemen” that we would succeed (probably after the first of ten
warehouses was installed, we upped the stakes to the Stores Management team as
Joe Butkowski challenged them with using the same warehousing system we were
establishing across all their warehouses in the main Stores locations, and sub-stocks,
across Kodak Park. A good description of the main Stores location, and its
accompanying sub-stocks would really be to think of a place like Home Depot,
anything from stationary items to pipes, to electrical motors, anything needed
to support operations could be ordered through Stores main locations and their
sub-stocks. The MAJOR difference here was volume, which turned out to be over
50,000 transactions per day. We asked for an additional $50,000 and, as the
implementation of warehousing continued, we began the necessary changes to grab
hold of the main Stores locations. I remember we ran into some political
attacks at this time from our own department, mostly questioning the ability to
handle these never before attained volumes, but we pushed ahead (actually, Don
Fry told them to go fuck themselves, in nicer terms, of course) and succeeded
by the summer of 1981.
There were NO parades, there
were no congratulations from our management, and we were pretty much pushed out
of the way by the Stores Management team as they took their new piece of work
to the highest levels of the company for their “atta boys”. We had done what
had never been done before. We had cloned a system from another site, expanded
it ten fold, and expanded it again to exceed volumes never even visualized, and
had been left on our own to appreciate this accomplishment which establish a
new high bar for volume related activities within new development efforts and,
thereby, changed all the possibilities for future development work at Eastman
Kodak. These new directions all came to pass. Don Fry went back to technical
supervision of the database group. Joe Butkowski became frustrated with Stores
Management and retired shortly after we finished Macs for Stores. David Winter
was assigned to a major accounting project and I remained of continuing
support, maintenance, of the efforts we had installed.
I hated maintenance, to say the
least, and so, for a year or more I held my nose and did the best I could until
one day when the phone ran and an offer, from out of the blue by Larry Becker,
took me off to my next development effort on a special project, developing the
new computer systems base for the Kodak Medical Products Blood Analyzer effort.
I was thrilled and escaped leaving Macs in the capable hands of “fast Eddie
Rosek”, a Data Process and Payroll escapee with great capability and a need to
please. It was a win/win and I headed for the promised land of Medical
Products, Chuck Gardner, Ralph Harding and Larry Becker.
It’s important to understand the
politics of the day here, so click on “Politics”
for a description of the real driving forces that shaped a future for Eastman
Kodak.
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Raw Material
Inventory (RMI)
Upon arrival at Medical
Products, it became apparent to me that they really did not have any plan, and
were making it up as they went along, and, hey, that’s what I signed up for, so
I submitted, after the prerequisite two week “study” of the process, a three
phased effort that could define a forward movement. The first step was a
Solution Inventory and Laboratory Management System, which would cover their
manufacturing phase and its required testing. The second phase was a raw
material inventory system (interesting enough, this was the counter effort to
MACS, in that it “counted” what the department owned once it moved it on to
site, eliminated it from “MACS”), and the third, and final effort was a
planning and scheduling effort, above the inventory available across the site
necessary to run projected volumes (connections to Purchasing, available). I
called this “The Red Book”, because I published it in a red cover, and it was
hastily accepted with NO changes.
Step one, Solution Inventory and
Laboratory Management, was accomplished; no sweat other than the indifference
of local management, to whom I sent the following project update letters,
known as “The Lolita Letters”.
All’s well that ends well, and the first success led to the second step of
my plan, The Raw Materials and Inventory System, which would change my life,
again taking me to places I had defined but not know of.
Step two, Raw Material
Inventory, became very political, as the sponsorship of the Medical Products
project, the Paper Manufacturing Division, agreed that implementation was to be
much broader than just Medical Products because everyone at Kodak Park had a
need for this efforts functionality. The scope of the effort was expanded, and
after a sales pitch across all potential areas, an implementation plan was
defined that took the Raw material Inventory System from Solvent Coating to
Paper Manufacturing, to Film Manufacturing and Paper Support Manufacturing and,
finally, to Roll Coating. The functions supported the movement of materials
from each of the fourteen or so Kodak Park warehouses to each of the manufacturing
departments requesting these materials for use, and linked the internally
stored materials to the Kodak Park site testing system so that release testing
could be accomplished and the materials released for use, or condemned,
reworked or retested. This effort started off with Solvent Coating because a
beautiful fellow named Joe South said, “Hey, those other guys want to make fun
of Solvent Coating and call us a country club, but I’ll tell you what, country
clubs are where the pros hang out and once we’ve done this, which we will, the
others will have to come along and match us, and that’s how this will happen”.
I remember smiling, knowing this would be the best effort of my career, and two
years later, when RMI was completed, and fifty or so people across Kodak Park
had helped drive it, and been lifted up to better career opportunities, and
Kodak Park had a single set of connected raw material inventory and testing
systems, the company stood at the ready to move to step three of the project
plan, Planning and Scheduling. It was just at this time that, as I described in
the political update (above), that the constant project over-runs, dissatisfied
customers, and now corporate cost saving pressures as a result of FUGI drove
all new development efforts to a halt, and “Common Systems” and packages became
the way of the future.
I had not, nor had I ever had
any sponsorship, or even defenders. Others took the credit for my work, though
I did obtain my final promotion from Jim Ballinger (as he said he would, he
promoted me from wage grade forty-one to forty-three, which was a supervisors,
or senior level), and after the greatest accomplishment had been achieved, I
found myself at a stand still. The Planning and Scheduling effort, the final
connecting and driver piece, would not be done by me and all the work
accomplished would actually be scrapped, replace with “Common Systems” across
Kodak Park. Development moved to Kodak Office as a more global approach was
addressed.
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Politics and meanings.
At the time it was impossible
for me to understand why the powers that be could not understand the
possibilities right in front of their faces, but they were playing a far
different game than I was. I had always thought it was job, or duty, to do the
best I could to leave what I found in better shape than when I first
encountered it, while in actuality, the real game was to get as much for your
self, with as little effort, avoiding all risks and taking credit for anything
you could manipulate your self into position to do so. This “Common Systems”
thing was really the next wave for those “in power” to remain so, feed their
friends and tell the higher ups what they wanted to hear. At the time I was
just a forty-one level Project Manager who had graduated from RIT night school,
and while I did have an impeccable record of successes, the powers that be were
not going to listen to me and buck corporate management, they were going to
give them what they wanted. So, as the sun sank in the west and the corporate
Information Systems guys (now called IS/IT) came on station to begin building
the new, impossible dream, I slinked off to Photochemicals and became the
Project Manager for the first installation of AMAPS (the package the company
had purchased to perform all integrated materials, manufacturing, purchasing
and accounting functions) at Kodak Park. If you can’t fight ‘em, what the fuck,
join ‘em.
Up to this point, and by now
it’s 1987, I had finished Awareness, though at the time it was several
individual books, and was well into Transitions. My marriage had broken up,
Jason and Joshua were born, Susan had gone off to Alaska, and Barbara had done
her numbers. My marriage to Kathy, and her daughter Jennifer was just about on
the rocks as I accepted my next assignment to Photochemicals. I was a walking
mix of knowledge and losses while taking up painting, no less.
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So what’s this then (AMAPS, Two Time Big Time)
Photochemicals and Jackie Hill.
As I had been, basically, a
people person and NOT technically oriented, it was obvious to me, as I’d
learned during my RMI days, that “the team is what counts, not the project”. It
was this approach I embraced as a smooth, black woman named Jackie Hill took my
coat, and hanging it upon her “personal” coat rack asked me, “So, what can you
bring to this effort”? And me, just promoted and really not understanding, or
caring about politics, just thinking the project was the right “thing” to do,
and not having a clue about corporate evil says, “I can, through teamwork, put
Photochemicals “on the map” as the first installation of the new corporate
package (AMAPS), and set a blueprint for others to follow”. I should have paid
more attention to her forward lean at just about this time, but I just took it
for politeness, rather than the opportunism it really was. I knew nothing at
this point in my career, other than doing the best I could, and leaving things
better off than when I found them. Jackie Hill hired me to be the Project
Manager for the initial installation of AMAPS at Kodak Park, and I began
picking up the pieces of the mess two local “guys” had made trying to do the
project as some half-assed computer installation rather that a change in
business processes (see, I’d begun to talk “corporate”).
The deal here in Photochemicals
was not to implement a computer system, but rather to implement a business
change that included formal rules and regulations about how you did what you
did (Bill of Materials), and who maintained that (a master data update and
control function), what you did (Master Scheduling, that looked out six months
for available capacity, materials and labor), and a daily scheduling process
that printed out detailed instructions for shop floor operations (Dispatching,
using labor planning on a week by week basis within a “fixed” zone of four
weeks, or so), and last but not least accounting, who added up the actual cost
of jobs vs. the planned cost of jobs, to determine how well we did against
expectations, monthly. It’s critical to have the correct people appointed to
the team, if you want to succeed, so after a study recommending how to organize
and, more importantly, who should represent each area of the effort, it was up
to Ms. Hill to finalize the appointments offered up as recommendations, and to
her credit, she did.
Packages are not that flexible,
so the main trick was to keep the scope inside the functionality, which had
some leeway, called “bolt-ons” and could provide a few necessities not
included. These were basically defined as political giveaways that were not
worth the fight, and to include some power force within the project it became
necessary, upon occasion, to “give ‘em what they want rather than make a battle
over a small point”.
The project to install AMAPS in
Kodak Park Photochemicals took about seven months, eliminated the local
“systems” expert and replaced him with a professional systems team, installed
an on-line requirements planning effort that linked to the official purchasing
processes, and provide a single set of accounting numbers to be utilized as a
measurement of operational efficiency. This was the first such implementation
at Kodak Park, and was accomplished on January 1st, 1988.
As a result of the success, I
asked the Project team to write a report and submitted it to me that detailed,
in their opinion, why our project had been a success. I planned to circulate
this report to other areas that were in the project implementation phase, so
they could learn what we had done, copy it, and hopefully attain the same level
of success we had. The compilation of the individual reports was published, and
Jackie Hill was pissed off, to say the least. It seems, in her mind, that I had
somehow, through the issue of these reports, which were written mostly by her
own troops, taken, single handedly, credit for the success of the project and,
thereby, NOT given her the credit she deserved, or what ever. Her complaints
were addressed to my boss, and as he and I walked to a meeting with his boss
(my bosses boss), to discuss my behavior as relating to the success of this
project and the pissing off of Ms. Hill, he had a massive heart attack and fell
over, basically dead on the floor fifty feet down the isle of the way to see
Frank Allen, the big kayuna of the Management Services Division, who would
decide what to do with the likes of me.
Once again a massive success
with credit absorbed by others, whom in this case attacked me personally, and
as my defender falls over dead with a heart attach I am appointed his temporary
successor with responsibilities that include Ms. Hill as a client. It’s no
small wonder I wrote There’s No Such Thing as a Coincidence at this time, and
the painting of Dr. Ted Evans falling over dead on the way to my
“justification” meeting aptly adorns the title page.
My personal life made a move for
the better as I had met Judy (in Photochemicals, which I’m sure added to Ms.
Hills aggravations with me) and with leaving Kathy and Jennifer, marrying Judy
and, basically, not going to work for six or so months, I began editing my
previous works into what has now become Awareness, and working on Transitions
and its various parts (Giving, Balance and There’s no such thing as a
Coincidence). Painting also took off, and frankly I wondered if I was at the
end of my Kodak career, ironically, after yet another great accomplishment.
Dr. Ted Evans returned from the
dead, his heart attach had been very serious but not fatal, and “encouraged” me
to come back to work on, as he said, “a more regular basis”, which I did. In
January of 1989, almost one year to the day since the heart attack, I accepted
the job as Project Manager for the installation of AMAPS into the Kodak Park
Roll Coating Division. I was encouraged and confused, but looked forward to yet
another opportunity and Roll Coating, as roll coaters like to think of it, is
THE base from which the universe of Kodak begins.
Roll Coating, Mike Marmo, “Big
Ed” Hoffman, and “Little Ed” (a.k.a. Mr. Tomato Head) Smith.
Well, it was January of 1989 and
the rest of the management Services Division was busy making messes of installing
packages (see Politics II for an update),
so it became necessary to define a rationale business case for each project
being implemented. In our case, we used the selling of base inventory, which
are very large rolls (get it, roll coating) of various materials used to put
emulsion coatings upon. These rolls were manufactured by Roll Coating, at
the request of Film and Paper Sensitizing, and held in inventory, owned by
Roll Coating, until they were “summoned” by sensitizing and used to make the
next phase of Kodak products. Now not always was an entire roll used in the
process, for various reasons. When a roll was completely used it was transferred
from the Roll Coating books to the Sensitizing set of books, and “sold”, sort
of. The rolls that were not completely used up REMAINED on
the Roll Coating books and, guess what, were sometimes never used again because
they were “short” and therefore represented sub-optimal setups at the coating
stations. The amount of inventory that Roll Coating “owned” was substantial,
and was created for and at the request of Sensitizing, so the business case
became simple:
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You, Sensitizing, send us an order for what you
want, how much and when.
·
Roll Coating will produce the product for you on the
date you request it.
· You will own the roll upon successful testing, insuring quality.
· These inventories will be transferred to Sensitizing books.
That was remarkably simple, like
all the rest of the businesses in the world yet a “new” idea within Kodak, and
this strategy and business plan formed the basis for the Roll Coating
implementation. I was working with a great fellow named Mike Marmo who had been
assigned to the effort by his boss, “Big Ed” Hoffman, who looked like a dead
ringer for Steven King, very serious and very well connected for, after all, he
grew up in the Roll Coating culture as a golden boy and was, after all,
steering the Division that was “the base” for all of the Kodak universe. The
common phrase was, “If it wasn’t for Roll Coating the emulsion would fall on
the floor”, which I suppose was true, but kind of assumed sensitizing was a bit
retarded. It’s helpful at this point to also realize that Sensitizing were the
Gods of Kodak because that’s where the value of the materials really jumped up.
If rolls were, lets say valued at ten (10), then sensitizing rolls were valued
at a thousand (1000), so there was some animosity, or culture clash, between
these two customer/supplier Divisions.
As we presented the business
case to “Big Ed” Hoffman, I remember telling him that previous to this “sale”
of inventory, by the way like how the rest of the world does business, “Roll
Coating was riding in the back of the Kodak bus, but now, when you’re selling
your products to your customers, you are DRIVING the bus”, and “Big Ed” smiled
and said, “I like that”, and the project was off to a fast start.
THE thing I’d learned from the
beginnings of my time as a Project Manager is the team IS THE THING, so it
became critical that we have the best people available. Now, those of you who
know realize that this is a difficult, at best, criteria, because the best
people are usually working on what they do best, which usually is not updating
a Divisions infra-structure. These battles require stating the case for
competence, and trusting, in this case “Big Ed” Hoffman or the responsible
manager, assigns the correct individuals.
Our team quickly formed up, with
Mike Marmo and I trying to keep the tiller pointed in the right direction from
a management perspective. The “Chief” of the planners was an old ass kisser
that Mike and I agreed not to pay any attention to, and he, the ass kisser,
after hearing Mikes and my plea for “his best people, because “Big Ed” would be
really displeased to hear he’d done otherwise”, assigned Paul Gaurachini (the
brain) and John Clement (mad dog) to the Master Scheduling effort, and Phil
Sheehan (bird) to be our shop floor guy, assisted by “the lovely Lisa”. An
internal guy, Gary Kohonek, was assigned directly by “Big Ed” to be the chief
of master data (critical role), and Gary would go on to build all the bills of
material that drove the entire project (it was this assignment that showed us
the true “Big Ed”). The accountants fucked up and assigned a moron to begin
with, but a kick ass woman named Laurie Stafanski, who more than filled the
bill, especially when she wore her short, red dress, soon replaced him but ah,
I digress. The technical team was composed of Tom Panic, no kidding, a great
name, and Jim Arena (tough guy), and they, along with Ed the Aquarius shop
floor system guy, and Dwight Roeters (Mr. Big Head), well, there wasn’t
anything we couldn’t do. A beautiful kid named Doug Neff, an Industrial
Engineer no les, became “Doug, the up front man” as he learned his job was not,
as he had said, “finding things for people to do”, but rather teaching
customers how to adapt to the new world that he, along with our excellent team,
was changing for them right in front of their eyes. It was the best of times,
again.
On January 1st, 1991,
the Roll Coating Division began selling rolls to Sensitizing from both their
manufacturing complexes, and this team, which would be my final team,
celebrated their tremendous successes by keeping their heads down, working
through a barrage of initial problems, and enjoying, as only those who’ve been
on championship teams can, a victory both personal and corporate, that remains
in all our hearts to this day. It was a great accomplishment.
Last but not least, I forgot to
mention “Little Ed”, or Mr. Tomato Head as we came to refer to him. “Little Ed”
was “Big Ed’s” assistant, and was, for the most part, incompetent. “Big Ed”
really didn’t surround himself with anybody who could be present a threat, and
“Little Ed” fit the bill to a tee. “Little Ed” took up commenting on the
possibility of our project being successful just as we were about to go into
production, and his comments were all negative. When he was confronted he, of
course, denied saying anything negative, but we all knew. He really did try to
sabotage our efforts, but was overcome by the sheer will of the effort and hard
work of all those who were determined “Little Ed” would not be right. Actually,
“Little Ed” helped motivate us (he’d probably say that’s what he was trying to
do, but that would NOT be true). There’s always a “Little Ed” around, maybe
two, so find them early, weed them out, and don’t let the negatives get you
down.
I was now done with my systems career. Two time doing AMAPS packages was enough, and there were no more development efforts available because of the messes and over-runs and, frankly, the confusion at this time about Personal Computers and Common Systems, so I took an assignment back in Photochemicals as an assistant to the Division Manager, Dave McConnel to, as he described, “get me some of those team things”. The world of Kodak was now moving towards empowered teams, and hey, me as THE team guy for the past several years was going to take a shot at manufacturing. I actually thought I had a sponsor as well, and things were looking good as I left Management Services, after fourteen years, joining the Leadership Team of the Photochemicals Division, headed up by what I thought would be my sponsor, Mr. Dave McConnel.
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